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08 August 2010 By Kourosh Ziabari
The Middle East is witness
to continuous developments these days, such as Iran’s
active diplomacy to attract the indispensable
118-member bloc of non-aligned countries to support
its nuclear program, the growing isolation of Israel
in European countries and within academic circles in
the U.S., Arabs’ fears of losing the power game in the
Persian Gulf region, and the expansion of illegal
settlements of Israel in the West Bank and its
unremitting disobedience to United Nations Security
Council resolutions.
Such developments have
turned the Middle East into the center of
international attention. Iran, as the Persian Gulf
region’s only non-Arab nation, Israel, as the world’s
sole Jewish state, and a host of fragile Arab
countries, who are being immersed in the waves of the
West’s economic turmoil, find their destiny
intertwined, with each party trying to surmount the
other. All this makes for an interesting, yet
worrying, rivalry in the Middle East.
In order to investigate the
ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict and explore the
prospect of Iran’s nuclear standoff, Foreign Policy
Journal has interviewed Antony Loewenstein, an
Australian journalist and political activist who is a
co-founder of Independent Australian Jewish Voices.
Loewenstein’s articles on Iran, Israel and Middle East
current affairs have appeared on the Guardian,
Washington Post, Sydney Morning Herald and The
Australian. He has also written two books, My Israel
Question and The Blogging Revolution
Kourosh Ziabari: The
Israeli aggression against the people of Palestine is
going on incessantly. The White House hasn’t taken any
serious step to signal its willingness to prevent
Israel from expanding the illegal settlements in the
West Bank. What will happen eventually? Will Israel go
on with its expansionistic approach in the occupied
lands?
Antony Loewenstein: Israeli
expansion on Palestinian land has continued for
decades and there is little indication that this will
stop anytime soon. Successive U.S. Presidents have
meekly complained about the occupation of the West
Bank and Gaza but continued to fund the Zionist state.
Washington claims to believe in a two-state solution
between Israel and the Palestinians but the occupation
has made this viably impossible. The alternatives are
unpleasant for the Zionist mind to consider, not least
a bi-national state or one-state equation, where soon
Jews will be outnumbered by Arabs. But Israeli Jews
should not fear this. Like the whites in South Africa
under apartheid, they have to make a choice, either
more years of oppressing another people and facing
global isolation or a nation with equal status for all
its citizens.
KZ:
President Obama has recently threatened Iran with a
possible nuclear strike. Can we trace the footsteps of
the Zionist lobby in the provocative remarks by the
U.S. president? Will the U.S. finally stage a nuclear
war in the Middle East to protect its unalienable ally
against an “Iranian threat”?
AL: The chance of
Washington launching a nuclear strike against Iran is
very slim, though the current concern is President
Obama allowing Israel to use tactical nuclear weapons
or simply a military adventure against the Islamic
Republic in a misguided attempt to stop its supposed
nuclear program. There is no doubt that many members
of the U.S. Congress and the Zionist lobby are
encouraging a military strike against Iran. But the
real agenda is largely hidden. This isn’t about
nuclear weapons or even meddling in Iraq or
Afghanistan but regional rivalry to the Jewish state,
something not to be tolerated. Iran, after the
disastrous Iraq war, has risen in stature and power in
the Middle East. The country is a brutal dictatorship
that represses its own people, and last year’s sham
election for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad only confirmed this
trend, but its oil wealth allows resistance against
American and Israeli interests.
KZ:
As an honorary citizen of Detroit, the late Iraqi
dictator Saddam Hussein was once one of the most
cordial friends of White House during the tenure of
Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. He was given enormous
military and political support by the U.S. during the
8-year war with Iran. Finally, the United States
captured and executed him once his mission was over.
Is the same tragedy going to happen for Israel and its
leaders?
AL: One of the great
challenges for our age is applying international law
equally across the globe, to both Western leaders and
others. Thus far, the Hague’s International Court of
Justice and other associated bodies have largely
focused on atrocities in places like Rwanda, Liberia
and beyond. These are important cases that should be
pursued, but there is a growing movement, especially
in the UK and Europe, to hold Israeli political and
military leaders to account. Witness the valiant
attempt to arrest former Israeli Foreign Minister
Tzipi Livni in London recently for her role in the
criminal war against Gaza in late 2008 and early 2009.
She canceled her trip before the court order could be
executed but more attempts will be forthcoming.
KZ:
Keeping in mind the Jewish background of jurist
Richard Goldstone and his affiliation with the Israeli
universities and groups, which exempts him from
allegations of being an anti-Semite, why did the
United States denounce his elaborate report in which
both sides of the Gaza conflict were held accountable
and called upon to make impartial investigations into
their possible violations of human rights and war
crimes?
AL: Richard Goldstone’s UN
Gaza report was an important document that
meticulously outlined the crimes of both Hamas and
Israel in Operation Cast Lead. America and some of her
allies, including Australia, rejected its findings
because they feared its recommendations could be used
against their own military adventures in, say, Iraq or
Afghanistan. Western allies have for years killed
scores of civilians in the “war on terror” and never
been held accountable. The Goldstone report, when
directed towards Israel and Hamas, rightly argued that
international law demands that civilians are protected
during war. Israel used disproportionate force against
the Palestinian population in an attempt to
collectively punish them for both resisting and
backing Hamas.
KZ: Referring to the
1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin by a fellow Israeli member of the Likud party,
the American journalist Jeff Gates has metaphorically
suggested that the American President Barack Obama may
be assassinated by Israel one day. Is it actually
possible that Israel will finally betray its long-time
benefactor, akin to what happened to Iran’s former
U.S.-backed Shah?
AL: Although there is
profound anger within Israel towards Barack Obama
because of his very mild comments against Zionist
expansion in the West Bank, I don’t think Israel will
be assassinating the American President anytime soon
or leaving its warming embrace. Without Washington’s
support, diplomatically, militarily, and politically,
Israel wouldn’t last a few weeks.
KZ:
Hitherto, Israel has refused to adhere to the U.N.
Security Council resolutions that hold it accountable
to its international obligations, including Resolution
487 in which Israel was urgently called upon to “place
its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards”. How is
it possible to hold Israel accountable for what it’s
doing in the Middle East while the unconditional
support of the U.S. doesn’t seem to be diminishing?
AL: Aside from using
international law for what it is intended, the growing
BDS (boycott, divestment and sanctions) movement is
encouraging. Witness the recent great debates at
leading American universities, including Berkeley, on
boycotting multinationals that back the Israeli
occupation of Palestine. Palestine is becoming one of
the key issues in the activist community and beyond
and is bringing disparate groups together to fight for
a better future for all the citizens of Israel and
Palestine. Furthermore, there is a growing debate
within the American military establishment that
Washington’s blind support for Israel is harming
American interests in the Middle East. The Zionist
lobby furiously rejects this charge but spend any time
in the Arab or Persian world and Israel’s criminality
is a rallying cry for anti-Western sentiment. It’s
hardly surprising.
KZ:
The White House is seemingly designing the whole
framework of its foreign policy based on the interests
of Israel. Its active lobbying in the Persian Gulf
region to persuade Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Kuwait
to sell their oil to China at lower prices so as to
discourage Beijing from purchasing oil from Iran and
thus, dragging China into the implementation of new
sanctions against Tehran and weakening Iran and
preparing it to be attacked by Israel is one of these
examples. What’s your take on that?
AL: The great energy game
in the Middle East is certainly focused these days on
supposedly isolating Iran, though it seems highly
unlikely that Russia or China would support crippling
sanctions against Tehran in the U.N. Washington and
Israel are working together to secure their own energy
interests by appealing to the Arab states’ supposed
fear of Iran, which is real, though not because of
human rights but a loss of regional supremacy. One
should never forget that the U.S.-backed Arab states
are dictatorships largely doing the bidding of another
country. They aren’t independent. Sadly, a military
strike against Iran would be quietly cheered across
the Arab world. Not by the people, but by the
political elites. It’s vital that journalists and
policy makers do not make the same mistakes as before
the 2003 Iraq war, when bogus claims and lies were
told about Saddam Hussein and his supposed WMD. Saddam
was a brutal autocrat but he led a weak nation. Iran
is an entirely different story. During my time there
and conversations with many Iranians since, the moment
a military strike occurs or sanctions that harm the
average people are implemented, support for the regime
will increase. People in Iraq always say that the West
never realize that the post-1991 sanctions, which
suffocated the country, were never forgotten when
Washington came to bring “democracy” in 2003.
- Kourosh Ziabari is an
Iranian freelance journalist. He has interviewed
political commentator and linguist Noam Chomsky,
member of New Zealand parliament Keith Locke,
Australian politician Ian Cohen, member of German
Parliament Ruprecht Polenz, former Mexican President
Vicente Fox, former U.S. National Security Council
advisor Peter D. Feaver, Nobel Prize laureate in
Physics Wolfgang Ketterle, Nobel Prize laureate in
Chemistry Kurt Wüthrich, Nobel Prize laureate in
biology Robin Warren, famous German political prisoner
Ernst Zündel, Brazilian cartoonist Carlos Latuff,
American author Stephen Kinzer, syndicated journalist
Eric Margolis, former assistant of the U.S. Department
of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts,
American-Palestinian journalist Ramzy Baroud, former
President of the American Motion Picture Arts and
Sciences Sid Ganis, American international relations
scholar Stephen Zunes, American singer and songwriter
David Rovics, American political scientist and
anthropologist William Beeman, British journalist Andy
Worthington, Australian author and blogger Antony
Loewenstein, Iranian geopolitics expert Pirouz
Mojtahedzadeh, American historian and author Michael
A. Hoffman II and Israeli musician Gilad Atzmon. |