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06 March 2012 By Juan Cole An outreach effort to Muslims initiated by
Saddleback Church in Lake Forest has sparked a
national uproar among evangelical Christians, with
some accusing the Rev. Rick Warren, Saddleback's
pastor, of betraying core Christian principles and
Warren responding that his beliefs and intentions have
been misrepresented. Since an Orange County Register article published
Feb. 26 detailed the outreach effort, evangelicals
across the country have taken to blogs, social media
and Christian news outlets to debate whether and how
Christians should forge relationships with people of
other faiths. Longtime critics of Warren have
published lengthy online accusations that the
influential pastor, who delivered the invocation at
President Barack Obama's 2009 inauguration, has gone
too far in seeking theological common ground with
Muslims. Chris Rosebrough, a religious studies graduate of
Concordia University in Irvine who hosts an online
Christian radio talk show in Indianapolis, said that
response to Saddleback's outreach "has created a
national, even an international uproar…. Looking at
the Christian blogosphere, this is the number one
viral story." The most controversial part of the outreach effort
appears to be a document outlining areas of shared
belief between Christianity and Islam co-authored by
Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of
interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of
religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles. The
document, titled "King's Way", was unveiled at a
December dinner at Saddleback attended by 300
Christians and Muslims, including Holladay. A copy of the document was given to the Register on
condition that it not be published in its entirety.
The document states that Christians and Muslims
"believe in one God" and that members of both faiths
agree "there is only one God, the one and only divine
being." The document cites side-by-side quotations
from the Bible and the Quran to illustrate its
statements. Critics, including Rosebrough and many of the more
than 400 people who commented on the online edition of
the Register article, say that any suggestion
that Christians and Muslims worship the same God
amounts to abandonment of orthodox Christianity. Orange County Register, 10 March 2012 Here are just a few of the more than 400 comments
that can be found under the original Register report: "Allah is an Arab moon god…one of many…thus the
crescent. There is no equivalence." "The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, The God of
Israel, YHWH, is NOT the same god as the god of Islam.
The god of Islam is, according to the Q'uran
unknowable and vengeful, while the God of the Bible is
a personal, intimate and loving God! " "Mr Warren, feel free to build that bridge, and
when they turn on you, don't come crying to any of us
for help. The Muslim community has one goal, that is
the eradication of Jews, Christians, and Catholics. " "…the idea that christianity (or any other
respectable faith) can ‘reach out' to muslims to
bridge ‘misunderstandings' is a total joke. That
sounds just like Neville Chamberlain saying ‘I have
returned from Germany with peace in our time.' Let's
be honest and frank: Islam is evil. It is the same as
Nazi fascism in terms of its disruptive and
destructive collective conduct. What other religion
(currently) blows-up innocent people on an almost
daily basis, is the most economically non-productive
society on Earth, keeps woman suppressed (uneducated,
beaten, subservient), and openly threatens (not just
Iran) to ‘wipe Israel off the face of the Earth'?" "What part of the fact that muslims hate us because
we are not muslims is so hard to understand? There is
no bargaining or dealing with them, Islam wants
everyone to be muslim, or dead if they aren't
converted .. yes it's that simple." "Islam began with the ranting of a ruthless Arab
bandit leader, who robbed caravans and led his band of
robbers to annihilate defenseless cities. He also
robbed and burned many Byzantine churches, killing
thousands of Christians in his campaign, and also
destroying Jewish settlements. His so-called
‘visions'were the basis for the Islamic holy book
called the Koran. The religion of Islam permeates the
entire Arabic world, which believes their Mahdi will
come very soon and kill everyone in the world who is
not a Muslim. Our own president has given this
sadistic religion credibility by holding Muslim
affairs in the White House. Now deluded so-called
pastors across our nation and promoting unification,
under the delusion that Christians and Muslims worship
the same God. This is a dangerous apostasy that must
be exposed and challenged." "Have you ever READ the Qu'ran? Do you understand
that Islam is not even a religion? It is a
Totalitarian Political system with ONE goal -Sharia
law world wide. They either take over a country by
changing the laws to be Sharia compliant, or they
slaughter the people. THIS is who you say serve the
same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? NO.
Their god is a false god. They are serving satan and
they don't even know it. But YOU, Mr. Warren, you
should know better!" "Our problem here in America is that, as much as we
want to embrace everyone of all faiths, beliefs, and
cultures, and have attempted to put laws in place to
preserve that, we are fearful of a religion whose
tenets avowedly declare the end of all who do not
believe as they do. It's really hard for us to ‘put
our arms around that' and figure out a way to embrace
those who adhere to a faith that, honestly, in its
most sacred writings and in the example of their most
esteemed prophet—practiced, taught, and required
CONVERSION THROUGH FORCE—even unto death, and that the
highest reward is for the killing of others who do not
believe. Just as we Americans would, generally, have a
problem with dealing with avowed Nazis—or any group
bent on the genocide of others or the violent
overthrow of our government, so we have a problem with
those espousing the doctrines, teachings, and precepts
presented in the Koran." "Imagine all those fool misisonaries who wasted
their time sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with
Muslims. Now Rick Warren says we don't need to
evangelize at all! The god of Muhammed Atta flying
into the World Trade Center is apparently Christians'
God, too! Who knew?" "If (and perhaps when, not if) war breaks out in
the Middle East as the islamic countries calling for
the destruction of Israel make good on their threats,
it will be interesting to see which side the muslims
involved in these ‘interfaith' activities align
themselves with. It would also be interesting to know
if, as part of this ‘document' co-authored by Abraham
Meulenberg and JIHAD (really?) Turk, that both
organizations denounce hamas and hezbollah and their
terrorist actions." "So Rick Warren calls Muslims his ‘brother' and
says Christians and Muslims worship the same God does
he? Well, I guess Rick forgot to read 2 Corinthians 6:
14-17. Witnessing is one thing; telling them we have
the same God is quite another matter. This is FALSE
TEACHING! This is a hellish thing to do and shows he
has no concept of Christainity whatsoever! We as
Christians are to get Muslims to repent and be saved,
and NOT tell them we worship the same God!" "At a time when the Body of Christ has a Christian
brother with a death sentence in Iran for denying
Allah is God, refusing to bow the knee to a false God,
Allah, Rick Warren wants to claim we worship the same
God. That is Anti-Christ to the core. IS THERE
SALVATION IN BELIEVING IN THE MUSLIM GOD, ALLAH, MR
WARREN?" "Islam clearly teaches Jesus Christ did not die on
the cross, no Resurrection from the dead. A lie from
hell itself." "REMEMBer the devil is describe in the scriptures
as a deceiver, ‘And no wonder! For Satan himself
transforms himself into an angel of light'. 2nd
Corinthians 11:14. Oh! How happy was he on those 911
pictures from the devasted twin towers that his
followers had destroyed. But his time is almost over,
and he knows that." And there are hundreds more like this. |